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Posted: 30 March 2017 at 02:36 |
PA governor Tom Wolf signed a bill last fall which gave the PA Game Commission the power to allow the use of semi-automatic rifles for hunting. The commission dragged its feet until PA’s deer season was complete, then in January, 2017 they approved semi-autos for big and small game. Many hunters opposed the change, citing safety, and avoidance of 'spray and pray'. some cited a negative image hunters would be given if shown with so-called "Assault rifles" and 'terrorist style' guns. Recent Pittsburgh Post Gazette last sunday editorial was particularly negative. NOW, The PA Game Commision backpedaled and reversed its recent allowance and decided to limit semi-autos (MSR) for small game, but not big game. Edited by BEAR |
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I guess I don't understand the problem. You can hunt here
with semi-autos and I never have heard of a problem. I have been out hunting and have heard people firing multiple rounds at what I assume is a game animal. Never have thought of them as "spraying and praying" though. Maybe the folks from PA are more "tactical" than we are out here in the west. Wing master |
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I have always considered myself to be quite the bullshitter, But ocasionally it is nice to sit back and listen to a true professional......So, Carry on.
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What about ducks?
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Remember: Four boxes keep us free ,the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box, AND the cartridge box
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BEAR
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PA changes are for Rifles, intending to allow Ar style
rifles for hunting. even 10-22 rifles in 22 rf are presently illegal for squirrels , small game, even varmint. always been that way in Pennsylvania. rifles are illegal under federal law for hunting waterfowl...single shot, pump, bolt, or semi...all illegal! |
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Irish Bird Dog
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check this story out on PA semi auto rifle hunting,
read the comments too at bottom...... USA -(Ammoland.com)- Hunters heading afield in the 2017-18 seasons will be able to carry semiautomatic rifles for hunting small game and furbearers, but not for big game, based on regulatory changes approved today by the Pennsylvania Board of Game Commissioners. The commissioners in January preliminarily approved a proposal that would have allowed semiautomatic rifles to be used in any season where manually operated centerfire rifles now can be used. The board today amended that measure, giving final approval to hunting small game and furbearers with semiautomatic rifles beginning in the 2017-18 seasons. It made no changes to the list of lawful sporting arms for hunting big game. Commissioners said a clear majority of Pennsylvania hunters voiced opposition to hunting big game with semiautomatic rifles at this time, and the board’s vote reflects that opinion. Between the Board of Commissioners’ preliminary vote and the vote today, Game Commission staff conducted a scientific survey from a random sample of 4,000 of the state’s hunters, more than 2,000 of whom responded. The findings of that survey were presented to the commissioners at the board’s meeting on Monday. The findings of the survey show clear support for hunting furbearers (55 percent support or strongly support), woodchucks (51 percent support or strongly support) and small game (42 percent support or strongly support, and 12 percent neither support nor oppose) with semiautomatic rifles. For big game, while 28 percent of survey respondents expressed support or strong support for semiautomatic rifles, 64 percent of respondents said they opposed or strongly opposed semiautomatic rifles for big-game hunting, with 52 percent saying they were strongly opposed. The results bolstered the expressed opposition to hunting big game with semiautomatic rifles that appeared to a lesser extent in the written comments the Game Commission received in recent months. “We listened to our hunters,” President Commissioner Brian H. Hoover said. With the changes, semiautomatic rifles in .22 caliber or less that propel single-projectile ammunition and semiautomatic shotguns 10 gauge or smaller propelling ammunition not larger than No. 4 lead – also No. 2 steel or No. 4 composition or alloy – will be legal firearms for small-game seasons in the 2017-18 license year, which begins July 1. Semiautomatic firearms that propel single-projectile ammunition also will be legal sporting arms for woodchucks and furbearers, and there is no caliber restriction for woodchucks or furbearers. The measure also approves the use of air guns for hunting small game and furbearers. Air-guns will be legal for small game in calibers from .177 to .22 that propel single-projectile pellets or bullets. For woodchucks and furbearers, air-guns must be at least .22 caliber and propel a single-projectile pellet or bullet. BB ammunition is not authorized for small game, furbearers or woodchucks. Pennsylvania historically prohibited the use of semiautomatic rifles for hunting, but a law that took effect in November enables the Game Commission to regulate semiautomatic rifles and air guns for hunting. With today’s vote, Pennsylvania becomes the last state in the nation to approve semiautomatic rifles for hunting uses. Following their vote, the commissioners said if growing support for hunting big game with semiautomatic rifles emerges at some point in the future, they will give consideration to further regulatory changes. Fact-finding by Pennsylvania Game Commission staff revealed no higher incidence of hunting accidents in any state where semiautomatics are permitted, and many firearms experts have said they believe semiautomatics are safer in that they allow for continuous focus on the target and often require the shooter to absorb less recoil. The survey on hunting with semiautomatic rifles also showed greater support among younger age groups for semiautomatic rifle hunting, including the use of semiautomatic rifles to hunt big game. But no such provision will be adopted for the 2017-18 license year. Tagged: hunting., Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania Game Commission4 Comments Advertisement 11 4 thoughts on “Semiautomatic Rifles Ok’d For Pennslyvania Small Game, Furbearers” AR Hunter says: March 30, 2017 at 12:17 PM Well crap… I was already researching places to Hunt Bear and making a budget for a fall trip. I had it narrowed down real good to some Public Land and Do it yourself locations in the State. Guess I wont be spending any money in PA until they can modernize their hunting to come into the 21st century. Furthermore this would have been part of a filmed experience that would have encouraged PA as a great state to now hunt in with Semiautos. I do call BS on their “scientific” study. This doesn’t appear to be anything other than a mail out or email survey to a group of good ol boys or the Bow Hunting community. Wonder what the real agenda of the committee is and why coming into the 21st century scares them? Reply robert says: March 30, 2017 at 4:15 PM commie anti gun issues Reply Wild Bill says: March 30, 2017 at 4:49 PM Wow, the liberals on the Pennsylvania Board of Game Commissioners found a new way to limit the kind of fire arm that you own. They can’t stop you from owning semiautomatics, but they can limit what you hunt with so why bother to own a semiauto. How clever. Soon Pennsylvania hunters will be hunting with single shot firearms. Reply Shawn says: March 30, 2017 at 9:24 PM Funny I am a Pennsylvania Hunter and I was not surveyed and every other Hunter I ask has not been surveyed. Hummm kinda like the ’08 & ’12 election. Can’t find anyone who voted that way Reply Leave a Reply Edited by Irish Bird Dog |
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BEAR
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Yep, "Commissioners said a clear majority of
Pennsylvania hunters voiced opposition to hunting big game with semiautomatic rifles at this time, and the board’s vote reflects that opinion. " Generally, hunters have a negative opinion of AR shooters. The AR community hasn't helped with the "AR image" in the public mind and in the PA hunter's mind. Go to Public ranges and you will see people shooting at glass bottles, and other stuff to make a mess. Usually Semi- auto shooters and many AR shooters. It has been an interest to me that the M1 and m14(M1a) shooters, have never given firearms owners the bad name that AR owners have. WHY? Remember it isn't ALL ....AR owners, but it is clearly the majority. |
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AR's aren't the only semi auto rifles used for hunting
what's this anti AR BS from PA???? remember divided we FALL! read this from report in post above........ With today’s vote, Pennsylvania becomes the last state in the nation to approve semiautomatic rifles for hunting uses. * Fact-finding by Pennsylvania Game Commission staff revealed no higher incidence of hunting accidents in any state where semiautomatics are permitted, and many firearms experts have said they believe semiautomatics are safer in that they allow for continuous focus on the target and often require the shooter to absorb less recoil. *49 other states allow semi auto rifles for big game and there has been no vast accounts of any issues based on semi auto rifles from them, so what's the outcry from PA??? |
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Why is PA the only state to claim to have SLOB AR rifle shooters???? Don't see that from the other 49 states! And it NOT Clearly the majority of AR shooters either bear...there are literally 10's of thousands of AR rifles in this country....no basis for SLOB claim. |
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"It has been an interest to me that the M1 and m14(M1a)
shooters, have never given firearms owners the bad name that AR owners have. WHY? " Remember it isn't ALL ....AR owners. Interesting in that the M1 and M14 (M1a) are considerably more powerful (many would argue better weapons) than the AR style...but why has use to the M1 and M1a not caused public outrage? The government is still selling used military M1s to the public...no outcry? |
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I don't know " Why is PA the only state " to recognise the
AR slob factor. You are going to NRA Convention (wish I was, loveit) and you will probably hear more on this there. The NRA was the big pusher for this law change, they lobbied hard. PA hunters never asked for ARs nor did they want it; but legislators always respond to the big $$$. PA hunters have been actively lobbying for legal hunting on Sundays. We didn't get that; and PA hunters have been trying for that for at least the last 40 years!!! |
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IBD, understand this illegal use of some rifles for
hunting, not only applies to ARs but ALL semi-automatic (AKA autoloading) rifles. But the AR is certainly in the front of the change. We hear nothing about the Browning BAR nor the Remington 7800 rifles. |
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cut and paste for Pittsburgh Post Gazette editorial on
last Sunday. It was instrumental in reversing the PGC. http://www.post-gazette.com/opinion/Op- Ed/2017/03/19/David-Levdansky-Go-slow-on-semi-automatics- for-hunting/stories/201703190067 It is well written explanation of PA hunters feelings. |
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I would point out, maybe it's not type of rifle, but generation involved. Most shooters of M1 and M1As are over 50 and most slob AR users are under 25. I've also seen plenty of slob shooters, using 22rf and shotguns, probably the biggest source of broken bottles and cans, 22rf pistols, at least judging from number of 22 brass on ground and distance from trash. |
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Right on Robert. Might add the high power auto pistol
use into that mix. You must remember, one bad apple will spoil the barrel. In a population of 100,000 even 5 % or 5,000 slobs 'looks' terrible. Remember hunters in PA correctly feel there is no "NEED" for autoloading rifles to hunt deer and black bear. Interesting comment in IBD's article "R Hunter says: March 30, 2017 at 12:17 PM Well crap… I was already researching places to Hunt Bear and making a budget for a fall trip. I had it narrowed down real good to some Public Land and Do it yourself locations in the State. Guess I wont be spending any money in PA until they can modernize their hunting to come into the 21st century" Sounds like the exact type of guy PA Hunters don't want in the woods! |
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We beat up the topic of semiautos in PA.
Traditional Pennsylvania did NOT allow semi-automatic rifles or pistols for hunting in PA. This summer it changed, PA now allows semi-automatic pistols and rifle, along with air rifles for hunting in the state for small game. Hunters, in my opinion, never really pushed for this. It was the gun industry that pushed it through. NRS and others feared the "picture" it made to say ARs (aka MSR) were illegal to hunt with in one of the most hunted states. Certainly manufactures saw a very large market. We are now into small game hunting season, and little increase in semi-automatic or air-rifles sales have materialized. Tradition live on.
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Bear, I believe you have 10/22, do you find it any less sporting or more dangerous, to use it for squirrel or rabbit hunting than 22 pump, lever, or bolt? Do you feel 7400 in /06, any less sporting or more dangerous than 7600, in /06? Why should pump action be legal and semi not? It can't be because of faster rate of fire, pump certainly is as fast as semi, lever and bolt aren't that much slower.
To me it's the same, as Sunday hunting prohibition, it only makes sense from traditional stand point, it's no less safe to hunt on Sunday, than any other day. Semi, is not less safe than other action types, often they more safety features, than older designs. |
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Yep, I do have a 10-22, bought to hunt gopher with (aka Blondie). But for the last two years I got a CZ 452 FS for gophers.
Autos are no more dangerous than 'assault rifles'; it is the man behind the gun. Maybe I'm just an old foggie??? Seems the under 40 guys are spray and pray at the range and in the field hunting NY. This updated post is just to demonstrate that the auto thing wasn't needed or wanted by hunters. It was outside state action. Pennsylvania hunters DO WANT Sunday hunting and have for years.
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I always have and probably always will use a bolt gun for hunting.
The thing is, I don't care what you use to hunt with. It's really none of my business. One thing I have noticed living out here in the west is most people just want to be left alone. I'll do my thing, You do your thing. We all seem to get along fairly good. I damm sure don't want the government to tell me what I can and can't do. Wing master
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I have always considered myself to be quite the bullshitter, But ocasionally it is nice to sit back and listen to a true professional......So, Carry on.
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