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Best wildcat of all time?

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tikkabuck Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 April 2018 at 14:21
The .338-08 ,and the 25-06 gets my vote.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote BEAR Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 April 2018 at 14:41
Two great wildcats that became great commerical cartridges.

I always like the 358 win (a younger cousin to the 338); but apparently few others did, so it died.  Would like to see a head to head comparrison of  the 338-08 (aka 338 Federal) and the 35-308 (aka 358 win).  

I've been impressed with the shooting and killing power of the 338 Fed.  And there are lots more bullets for the .338 than the .357.

The 25-06 certainly fits as one of (if not the best wildcat).   invented in 1912 by Charles Newton, a Buffalo NY gunsmith/designer.  But it took 50+ years till remington commericalized it.  Probably one of the best  quarter inch cartridges.

I think I judge the sucess of a wildcat by its eventually becomin a commerical cartridge and then being around for a long time as a good commerical round.

There are so few niches today for any wildcat to fill; maybe in small rounds?  The high velocity cartridges seem to be filled beyond overflow.
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Well as my wandering mind sometimes ticks, I have wondered from time to time just why nobody has ever dropped the Herret and JDJ wildcats in an old lever gun? Since I know a few of you fellas have done some pistol hunting, perhaps a weigh in could help solve the dilemma? Seems the gains would outweigh the availability of the ammo. Parent cartridges are 30-30 with taper removed and shortened. Not like the brass is hard to find. Powders are in the faster range, so given a decent round nose, HP, or leverlution type projectile, distances of 200-250 yards are a good possibility. Seems like a logical step.
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i have a Herret 30.  Great round.  it  was designed for a 10 inch pistol barrel.  Same energy at 100 yards as at the muzzle.  It was my deer pistol, till I got a 375; now it is my groundhog pistol.  Best shot was 2 hogs one shot; I lined them up one at 60 yards another at 90 yards.

working on some Trailboss light loads, sub-sonic 220 grain.

your right those 30-30 based cartridges are good.

Wouldn't mind having a 357 Herret in a 18 inch marlin 336.
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   I hear ya Bear , that's why I went to the .338 Fed in one of my Tikka's . I always had a soft spot for the .358 but like you said it just didn't stick around . So after wanting one for years I gave up and went with the , Fed . ,never been sorry I did .  The fact that I sold it I do kick myself for , ALOT .
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My bro' has a 338 Federal in an ultra lightweight Kimber.  WOW light weight, accurate and really kills.  surprise, not as much kick as many thought!
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Whoops, posted in the wrong thread...

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I never have had one, but the ,338 Federal is something that has always interested me. 

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Part of the .338 Federal's appeal might be cuz it can be used in a short action and still pack a wallop like it's big brother...sorta. 

Here's some dope on the cartridge.......

.338 Federal

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.338 Federal
338 Federal cartridges.jpg
.338 Federal between .308 Winchester (left) and .358 Winchester (right)
TypeRifle
Place of originUnited States
Production history
DesignerFederal Cartridge / Sako
ManufacturerFederal Cartridge
Produced2006
Specifications
Parent case.308 Winchester
Case typeRimless, bottleneck
Bullet diameter.338 in (8.6 mm)
Neck diameter.369 in (9.4 mm)
Shoulder diameter.454 in (11.5 mm)
Base diameter.470 in (11.9 mm)
Rim diameter.473 in (12.0 mm)
Rim thickness.049 in (1.2 mm)
Case length2.01 in (51 mm)
Overall length2.75 in (70 mm)
Primer typeLarge rifle
Maximum pressure62,000 psi
Ballistic performance
Bullet mass/typeVelocityEnergy
180 gr (12 g) AccuBalls2,830 ft/s (860 m/s)3,200 ft⋅lbf (4,300 J)
185 gr (12 g) Triple Shock2,750 ft/s (840 m/s)3,105 ft⋅lbf (4,210 J)
210 gr (14 g) AccuBond2,630 ft/s (800 m/s)3,225 ft⋅lbf (4,373 J)
Test barrel length: 24" Pac-Nor
Source(s): Nosler Load Data,[1] Hodgedon Reloading Data Center[2]

The .338 Federal is a rifle cartridge based on the .308 Winchester case necked up to .33 caliber. It was created by Federal Cartridge and Sako in 2006 and intended as a big game cartridge with reasonable recoil for lightweight rifles.[3]

Comparison[edit]

The .338 Federal was designed by Federal Ammunition and it is a SAAMI standardized cartridge that was released in 2006. It compares favorably to the 7mm Remington Magnum. Below is a ballistics table comparing the .338 Federal with other various calibers. Included in the table below is the older .358 Winchester, another cartridge based on the .308 Winchester.

.338 Federal Performance Comparison
CartridgeBullet WeightMuzzle velocityMuzzle energyLoad[a]Recoil in 8 lb (3.6 kg) rifle
grgft/sm/sft·lbfJgrgft·lbfJ
.338 Federal210142,6308003,2254,373473.023.4231.75
.338 Federal180122,8308603,2004,300473.021.8429.61
7mm Rem Mag17511.32,8608703,1784,309634.126.3935.78
.300 Win Mag180122,9609003,5024,748734.732.9044.61
.30-06180122,7508403,0224,097563.623.1731.41
.308 Win180122,6007902,7033,665452.917.9424.32
.358 Win200132,4907602,7533,733493.220.0727.21

Rifles[edit]

Sako,[4] Kimber Manufacturing,[5] Tikka, Savage, and Ruger[6] offered bolt action rifles. ArmaLite,[7] JP Enterprises,[8] LMT and DPMS Panther Arms,[9] Wilson Combat,[10] offered semi-automatic rifles in .338 Federal as of November 2008.

See also[edit]

References[edit]

  1. Jump up^ http://www.nosler.com/nosler-load-data/338-federal/
  2. Jump up^ "Take Aim at Rifle Reloading Data | Hodgdon Reloading"Archived from the original on 2015-03-25. Retrieved 2015-02-05.
  3. Jump up^ Cartridges of the World 11th Edition, Book by Frank C. Barnes, Edited by Stan Skinner, Gun Digest Books, 2006, ISBN 0-89689-297-2 pp.75,104
  4. Jump up^ Sako 85 website, retrieved 26 Feb 2010
  5. Jump up^ Kimber 84M webpage, retrieved 17 Nov 2008
  6. Jump up^ Ruger website, retrieved 17 Nov 2008
  7. Jump up^ ArmaLite website, retrieved 21 Feb 2009
  8. Jump up^ JP LRP-07H Long Range Precision Hunting Rifle, retrieved 9 Dec 2012
  9. Jump up^ Panther LR-338L, retrieved 17 Nov 2008
  10. Jump up^ Recon Tactical .338 Federal, retrieved 24 July 2016.

Notes[edit]

  • ^[a] Load values specify typical powder weight for this level of performance.

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First generation250 Savage.JPG
Second generation
Based on .300 Savage
Based on .22-250 Remington
Third generation
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Fourth generation
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One more for the comparison of newer designs of .338's


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.338 Ruger Compact Magnum
The .338 Ruger Compact Magnum or .338 RCM is a rimless, short-length rifle cartridge based on the .375 Ruger case. It was designed by Sturm Ruger and Hornady and released in 2008 and chambered in various Ruger rifles. Wikipedia
Base diameter44′ 0″
Case length0′ 2″
Length0′ 3″
Case capacity72 gr H2O (4.7 cm3)
Parent case.375 Ruger
Bullet diameter338 in (8.6 mm)
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The 338 Federal's best part is light recoil with heavier bullets.

the proper compaarison should be between the 338 Federal and the 338 win mag.
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I know the Lapua only gives an extra 200fps or so over the Win Mag, so I'm curious what the comparison of the Fed to Win is as well. Unfortunately, I'm on the road for work & don't have the reloading bibles handy to have a look.
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Thought to compare with 200 grain.  But here are some.

CASE----------------MV @200 grain

338 Fed                 2700 fps

338 win mag         2930

338  RUM              3050 w/210gr

338 Lupa               2950 w/250gr

340 Weatherby      3066w/225 gr

338-378 wea         3180 /225gr

 

Pretty clear, not much new since Weatherby  1963 intro of thee 340 Polar mag.

And really not much different from 338 win mag for all the extra $$$, powder, brass, barrel wear!

If you go to the top/heavy end, 300 grains they shift somewhat, but not a lot different except for kick.  Can we see The Law of  Diminishing Returns!



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