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    Posted: 15 March 2021 at 12:47
Do any of you anneal your brass? Is it worth the time and expense?

If so what is your process?

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  Iv'e had an Annealeez for several years now.  It's not a $2K machine, but it works just fine for me. 
   I usually try to anneal brass after 3 or 4 firings.

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Thanks Lizard. 

Do you feel like it extends the life of your brass? Do you see better accuracy because of more consistent neck tension?

I have been looking at Annealeez and a couple others. They look like good machines. 

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After 5-6 firings of rifle cases I anneal.  I use electric var speed drill and propane torch.  Tempcoat changes color at proper temp.  a hex bit with a 3/8 drive and long socket keep the body out of flame/temp.  simple.  after a few cases then you know how many seconds to rotate the cartridge.

The machine are great, but way more expensive than I need, for what they do.
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That's my thought too Bear. It would be hard to justify spending that much on a machine. I already have a drill. 

What do you see as the benefit of annealing your brass? Is it worth the time and effort?

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   I don't really know if the consistent neck tension is helping with accuracy, but annealing definitely extends case life.  And now with the high cost  and shortage of brass, annealing is a plus.
    Over the winter I annealed over 600 brass cases in a very short time.  It's priority like anything else.  Did I need that annealing tool?  No, but I wanted it.  I just purchased another rifle in .204 Ruger. Did I need it? No but I wanted it.  At my age of almost 77 I  buy what I want now.  Just more things to pass on to my son and grandson.
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I have an annealeze, worth every penny. I anneal my brass every 5 or 6 firings or so. I have enough brass in all I shoot that when it needs annealing I set it aside and wait till I have several boxes of brass that need attention and do them all at the same time. I know it has saved brass for me over the years. 
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Thanks for the input guys. 

I think I might start using Bears method and see how it goes. I assume annealing should mostly eliminate cracked case necks. I'd say almost half of the brass I throw away is because of loose primer pockets. That's why I was hoping their would be more benefits to annealing. 

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What temperature do you heat the brass to?

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Not sure it is perfect, but I use a templat 399oC stick.

basically I duplicate this Hornady kit, no longer available.https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1012738899


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All the loading my boy does he has never annealed any brass.
About 20% of my factory 8mmrem mag shells, the neck split first shot... So far none of the Winchester or bantam brass has split, after a few loads.
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necks can be the problem.
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So, 3999 celsius is 750 ferenheit. Is that right?

I have a couple different temp sticks in my tool box from when I was a mechanic. Ill dig them out and see what temp they are. 

D, What causes them to crack on the first firing? I don't think I've ever had that happen. Pressure?

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"D, What causes them to crack on the first firing? I don't think I've ever had that happen. Pressure?"

I have no Idea, No Pressure sing at all.

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Wing you got the wrong multiplied, upside down.


750 oF  is 400 oC    The F guys are smaller than the C guys!
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OK Thanks Bear. 

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Thats interesting D. 

I'm sure that brass isn't cheap to begin with. 

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hardened hases are 'brittle' so they crack.  Usually takes many 'work hardening' firing to make brittle.
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Factory loads never fired till I pulled the triggers.
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D  could be thin necks.  Do they all crack?  or just a few.
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