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    Posted: 08 September 2017 at 18:00
Yesterday I took a ride out to my gunsmiths shop. 

As soon as I walked in the door, I looked at his rack and there was my rifle still sitting untouched. I sighed. About that time I heard him yell from the back room to "come on back". 

We stood around b.s.ing for a while and looking at some projects he was working on. I didn't ask about my rifle figureing he wasn't working on it so why bother him about it. 

I was about ready to leave and he said "oh yeah, I got your barrel in". I went back in and said HUH?

He said he wasn't able to get the Kreiger barrrel we had talked about but he did get a Bartlien in would that be allright? Well, Heck yeah. 

He said that he would get to it either late next week or early the next week. 

Needless to say I'm pretty excited. I'm pretty sure I won't have it ready to hunt with on October 1st, but if I have it I can start working up loads and as deaddog reminded me doing a proper barrel break in. 

Now I am trying to decide on what scope I am going to put on it. I have a couple of scopes sitting around that are an option or I might get a new one. So far I am thinking I have a Leupold VXII that's not being used. I thought about installing it and getting Leupold custom shop adjustment knobs made for my load marked in distance from 100 to 500 or maybe 700 yards. 

What are your thoughts on a scope?

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Edited by Wing master - 08 September 2017 at 18:02
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and the cartridge will be??????????????????
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51 Maxis Allen improved I'll bet!!!
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I'm pretty sure he was talking about 6.8x55.
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Yeah, It's a 6.5x55. 

If it turns out to be as accurate as my gunsmith says it is going to be I'm thinking it will be my 
go to hunting rifle for antelope and deer. Maybe even elk but it might be a little light for elk. 

I'm just happy to see a light at the end of the tunnel. 

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I think you will be happy.  Your right, a little light for elk.

When I hunted antelope and elk 2 years ago, my 6.5-08 was my antelope rifle and backup (for the 9,3) on elk.

I think you will like the light recoil.

Are you getting the muzzle threaded, for future hearing protection device?  Should be simple cheap now at smith.
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Yes, It's on the order to thread the barrel and put a thread protector on (for now). 

That's what I like about my .308, Light recoil. And this should be even less. He guarantees 1/2 minute 
accuracy on all hunting rifles he builds. If I can work up a load that does that consistantly I will be a 
happy camper. 

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Originally posted by Wing master Wing master wrote:

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Now I am trying to decide on what scope I am going to put on it. I have a couple of scopes sitting around that are an option or I might get a new one.
What are your thoughts on a scope?

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My preference for a 100 to 700 yds scope is one with a MilDot recticle.
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I use a mil-quad FFP .1-mil one myself, for longer range, but if you're used to thinking in MOA and 1/4 moa clicks. this one easier to convert to https://swfa.com/catalog/product/view/id/113813/ , if you have the money to spend more, their HD glass is even better. https://swfa.com/swfa-ss-hd-5-20x50-tactical-30mm-riflescope-1.html except it's twice the money and only in mil-quad FFP .1 mil.

It's a lot easier, if turrets adjustment scale, matches reticle, where it gets real confusing, is converting mils to moa for adjustments or hold overs.
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Thanks guys. 

I have been looking real close at the SWFA scopes. The long range guys around here speak really highly of them. 

I'm not sure on a hunting rifle, but their fixed power scopes seem to be very economical. When I am hunting, I very seldom change the power of a scope from around 6 power. At the range I usually turn it up when shooting from a bench. 

What are your thoughts on a fixed power, say 6x, for a hunting rifle?

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The trouble, for me, at the lower powers, resolution of reticle, is too course, for fine holdover, at longer ranges.

Actually the SWFA scopes I have, are fixed power, three 20X and one 16X, but none would be well for game inside 400yds or so. I've shot their variable, on a steel match and variable power, works better on targets, of variable ranges better. You can use higher powder up close, but it's hard to follow/find a moving target with much over 10X.

For hunting, where you may have closer close shot, I prefer variable, carried on lower power, turning it up on farther shots, where you have more time to work with. I have used 6x18, 4x16, and 5x15 for varmints and game, lowest power is almost too much for quick close shots and highest is on low side, beyond 600 yds, on smaller targets. These are Christmas tree style reticles, of various brands, with holdover points @ 200, 300, 400, 500, and 600yds, you have to dial, beyond that. Each brand of these type have advantages and disadvantages, mainly how much of target is covered up, with each reticle by brand and how well it deals with windage hold offs.

For game, I prefer Leopold's and Bushnell's, B&C and DOA reticles, basically upside down trees, they give you reference of 18" and 24" widths, which you use as 9" and 12" hold off points. Tree styles, give you 5mph and 10mph, hold off references. Some like Weaver and Nikon, just give you elevation, without windage reference points.

First focal plane VS second focal plane, has more to do with personal choice and each has advantages. With FFP reticle's reference points, remains consistent over power range, as you increase power, both reticle and target appear larger. With SFP reticle's reference points, changes over power range, as you increase power, target appears to get larger and reticle appears same size. Hold overs sustentions, change with SFP, as you change power and remain consistent with FFP. With SFP, which is most common, hold over references, are only valid, @ correct power. The advantage of this, If your rifle needs a bit more sustention between reference points, you can adjust power down, say to 14X, instead of 15X used for reference points. This increases hold over distance, between lines and total, relative to apparent target size.

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Robert is right on.

To me 400 yds.  and over requires a dedicated scope, not a hunting scope.  

When I first started hunting I got fixed powers as they were lower cost.  Today variables are the same or lower cost; and they are good.

My big game scopes are 2-7x, 3-9x, 4-10x, 4-16x.  As Robert says, you really need that lower power to find game in the scope at ranges under 200 yards.; then you can crank it up.

9x or 10x is fine for big game at 3-400 yards, but will work out to 600 or so easily.

I don't like Mil-dots or other distractions in a scope; a fine duplex cross-hair like the Leupold is my preferred standard 'all-round' CH.  For eastern woods hunting I like heavy/thick CH; even a post for under 100 yards....but your western hunting is different.

I think a 4-16x 40mm in a 1" tube would be my choice for your rifle.

You could look at a 6-20x Leupold VX-3.  My western PD long range 243 has one; and it woks on those little PDs at 600 yards.
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This is reticle, I use most for hunting, on 9X dot can cover too much of small target. cross lines represent 24" and 18" @ range work as quick ranging tools and wind holdoff references.


These are my two favorite Leopold styles, the varmint being preferred at longer range. 10mph and 20mph wind referencs.


What the B&C looks like @9X, not too busy,

Nikon-plex, SIL and In-law have couple, I don't care for how much of target covered up and no windage marks (lines extending to right of reticle are just in pic, not scope reticle)



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Thanks guys. I will look at several options. I have a scope to put on it, so i can shoot it while I look around  while I recover from the price of getting the gun built. 

Thanks again for the help. 

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hey wing be prepared to post pics of the new rifle when it comes home....even without a scope
what kind/style/brand of rings do you use for your hunting scopes?


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I will definately post some pictures IBD. Needless to say I am more than a little excited. 

I usually use Tally one piece ring and bases. I have had really good luck with them. 

For now, I will leave on it what it has. It is a rifle I have had for several years. If I remember right it has Leupold rings and bases on it now. When I decide on a permanent scope I will get rings and bases then. 

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Tally rings....first I really heard of them was from CB...I do have one set now
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I don't use Talley.  They don't let you check the screw tightness without disassembling the scope/mount.

Weaver  (now called tactical Picatinny--MIL-STD-1913 ) have served me well for many decades; before the Tactical groupies found them.
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I have used Weaver mounts for years too. That might be an option too. I can get a Weaver mount with a 10 or 20 minute angle built in so I could use the whole range of the scope. 

That might be a better option. 

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Weaver bases are inexpensive.  I'd see how the scope lines up with a standard mount before getting a  raised mount.  Starting with a raised mount can mean on some guns you might not be able to sight in for 100 yards!
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