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    Posted: 09 June 2009 at 16:35
Since I am tired of being called unamerican for not owning a 1911 but at the same time not wanting to spend $2500 for a custom wilson combat/nighthawk/les baer etc. I am looking at either a KIMBER PRO CDP II or a SPRINGFIELD LOADED CHAMPION. I don't believe I could go wrong with either but am looking for some input from you .45 acp guys.  Being a HK/Glock guy I was curious as to the above pistols' reliability (I understand break in periods) more especially with hollow point ammo since I may decide to carry it on occassion.

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Get the Kimber.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Montana Maddnes Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 June 2009 at 02:56

Both are good pistols, but I would also go Kimber if they where the only two to choose from.

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Thanks for the input.  I know that these "modern" pistols are not your daddy's 1911 in that they have been "improved" in looks, accuracy, tolerances, etc., but they now have the option of shooting jhp ammo and that is where they get the hang ups. Glocks, HKs etc. (not as pretty and less expensive) dont' have that problem. In other words what does it take (Gun make/model, ammo type, parts, mags, break-in, tuning)to get one of these new 1911s to go bang every time with jhp ammo??? 

MM, do you have a preference that you deem more reliable than the two I have suggested???

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I've owned many a 1911 including a CDPII, and I would go with the Springer, provided the Champion is not alloy.  The CDPII is alloy, and cannot tolerate harsh treatment or use.  My CDPII developed feed ramp scaring and rail wear on the frame.  The corners of the magwell mouth also broke down during months of carry.  It is a medium duty carry pistol, period.  Very accurate, flashy-looking, would work well as a backup pistol.  I am also not a fan of the Swartz safety, which Kimber uses on the II models.

That's my 2 cents.



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No not really I happen to shoot a Series 70 Stainless Colt. I really like it and it is accurate as hell.

My buddy Digger (that sold me the Colt to buy his Springfield) baught a Sprinfield Marine Corp Operator. WOW what a fine shooting 45acp! I don't know why I like the Kimbers better, I just do. I don't know that one would be better than the other. Just love the Kimbers in my hand.

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Thanks again for all the help....

Mule, you are correct the champion is steel frame while the pro cdp is aluminum...never thought about it, but I will keep it in mind. I normally carry either Glock or HK so I probably won't carry the 1911 that much but again it is useful to keep it in mind.

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I am not a pusher of Kimber, but it's a personal thing with me. I never had much use for what they call, "custom fit." A blind guy on a pogo-stick could fit parts better. Personally, I like the springfield and the old Colts. The new SIG 1911 looks good, but I haven't tried them yet.....................Kingpin
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BigAl;

Why not get a .45ACP on a H&K platform?  You get "the" American pistol cartridge and a platform you're used to.  Best of both worlds seems to me.

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Ok, if you want a kraut bastard of a pistol.  I shot an HK at the range.  Owned a Sig P220 for a while too.  I reckin' I'm spoilt by 1911s.  If you buy a HK, don't ever buy a 1911.  You'll feel like you've wasted part of your life.

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Mule;

Oooh, our skirts are showing! 

As a matter of fact, I have both, & each has its place.

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I have a Smith and wesson 1911. It has digested full metal jacket, and hollow points with no problems. in fact the only time it has had any problems at all was one time when I shot over 200 rounds without cleaning it. Then I wiped down the feed ramp with a solvent soaked rag and shot about 100 more rounds without a hang up.

I think that says alot about this gun. It is the one in the holster attached to my bed frame. That should say how much faith I have in this gun. and its loaded with Hornady XTP (jacketed hollowpoint)

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Wow, still getting opinions...good ones I might add and (un)fortunately I have taken them all and have done some horse trading ended up with a pretty good collection.

SPRINGFIELD- TRP and EMP .40

KIMBER - PRO CDP II AND ULTRA TACTICAL

HK - COMPACT .40 AND .45

Still kept a HK USP .40 and a Glock 19 

 

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springfield loaded, some models have a package with a deal on extras.
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At this point in time, most 1911's are pretty good. Taurus makes a nice one. Almost any non-military 1911 will shoot OK and be reliable.

I have a 1927 Argentina, an Essex frame race gun and Springfield 1911-A1 (stainless). All shoot well (better than me). What do I prefer? Whatever I have in my hand at the time. Spirngfield for carry, race for fun and the Argentina for nostalgia.

Even the lower priced ones work pretty well.

What is my daily carry piece? Kel-Tec 32 with a laser. I like the light weight (I work in shorts most days). Better a 32 in hand than a 45 in truck (that's where my 45 stays).



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I was fealing guilty as well not owning a 1911 so I ended up getting a Taurus PT1911. Lots of opinions back and forth but I found it to be a solid gun (all steel no alloy) with some great factory accurizing features. I still ended up replacing  the hammer & sear, slide stop barrel bushing and thumb safety, but only because I was a little picky. It shoots great groups and I've cycled abot 3000 rounds through it without a stoppage. I also have a Para  on order for Oct.
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Fella's;

AND, I see that Para has moved out of Can-dania to South Carolina in the U.S..  Which, I suppose, could give a fella that'd not been any too enthusiastic about them a reason to obtain one.  I did handle a Para light double action a few months ago that felt pretty good.  Anybody got any real-world experience with one?

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to jump into this thread.......I like 1911's! & have several.....One that I have is an older Springfield Armory 1911 (.45ACP) I bought used several yrs ago......it had been "worked on" some by a previous owner but not a pro 'smith.  It came with a Colt bbl, long guide rod, shortened hammer spur, Pachymar rubber wrap-round grips. I added Bo-Mar rear adj sight & front sight to match for target shooting plus an ambi safety for my lefthandeness.  Also replaced every spring in the gun and had a real 'smith do a minor trigger job ie: reshape the sear in a jig for proper fit etc to correct the bad job done by someone in the past.  It has been very reliable and a fun gun to shoot.  Mostly shoot 230gr rd nose cast bullets w/my bullseye load.  1911's.......yuh just gotta love 'em! 

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CB, Todd Jarret handed me his personal Para DA, and I shot it for an afternoon. It handled very well and I liked it, but I don't want one. I own a Para P-14 steel framd that I built from their kit. I liked it a lot more. The trouble with double stack .45's is, the concealability factor is gone.......................Kingpin
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I guess I'm one of them unamerican guys. I much prefer my West German Sig P220 to the 1911's. Not that the 1911's are bad I just prefer the Sig.

 

 

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