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    Posted: 03 August 2018 at 03:53
So this is the story, a fella at work is taking his daughter out for her first year of hunting whitetailed deer. She's maybe 70 lbs drippin wet and quite young, 9. First year mentor program deal. He wants a load for the 22-250 for her, 1 in 10 twist. Anyone have a pet load?

Yes I tried to talk him out of it. Says he's trying to avoid the flinching from the .243 until she gets a bit older and bigger.
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an 80 gr 243 bullet moving at 2000 fps kicks less than 
a 55 gr 22-250 moving at 3000 fps,

But if Iwanted to load a 22-250 for deer I'd want a stout bullet,  hornady GMX solid.
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I'm with bear on this one.
I have a TC 22/250 and have shot white tail/mule deer and antelope.
A 22/250 is NOT a big game round...
I have tried 45 gr tts barnes to 60 gr partitions .
Will they kill a deer of course, with very good bullet placement.
50 years of hunting and I still don't always get the perfect shot.  
Tell him to use a heavy 243 and carry it for her, no recoil and it will be a much better choice.
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Don't fall for the trap , using a 100 gr bullet in a 243 is not the best choice, at any kind of distance the speed drops so fast the bullet does not work to it's full potential. Tell him to use a 80 to 95 good hunting bullet . The difference is remarkable.


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If he handloads, I would also suggest reduced recoil 243 load. I prefer partitions, but any sp bullet, built for game, not varmints, between 85-100gr over 27-30gr of H4895, produces a very accurate soft shooting deer load, for under 150yds or so. Not only does it have low recoil, muzzle blast is reduced. It has slightly more recoil than 223, but less than full 22-250 loads. My oldest grandson is 7 and maybe 50lbs, he'll be starting with similar load in 7mm/08, by next summer.

My oldest is recoil shy, what helped her the most, a good set of in the ear e-plugs and a PAST recoil pad. She still wear e-plugs while hunting and muffs over top at range.

If he still insists on 22-250, I'd use 60gr partition or noslers 64gr PPT bonded. The 64gr bonded is stout enough to hold together, actually it holds together better than 60gr partition. I would also recommend dropping down to 3,000fps or so, the same 28-30gr of H4895, adjusted to find accuracy node, will get you there.


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I think this is Pennsylvania...so woods/vegatation makes anything over 100 yards unlikely.

But by the same reasoning, it aint like the west.  If it runs 100-200 yards or more after a killing shot, you may never find it; althought it died within 30 seconds after the hit....just to much 'stuff'.
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My take is if a youngster is too small to handle a proper caliber deer rifle (either recoil or just aiming or both) then it's too early for that kid to be hunting. The proper gun/load should not be the main concern here but rather IF the youngster is physically and mentally ready for the hunt/Kill. It sounds as if she not physically of size to handle a deer rifle.

At 9yrs old what are the odds of her being able to have the Skill to Place the shot properly IF she is doing the holding and aiming of the rifle. What other shooting training has she had up to this point? Even if they are hunting over a bait pile that positions the animal in front of the shooter the mentor will not be able to for sure know if she has a perfect sight alignment on the animal. I say wait a bit until she is more capable and trained for this experience.  

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good points  Gary.
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They recently went to apprentice hunter program here 10 yrs and up. What I have against it, is even when age was 12, to get license and under direct supervision first two years, many just used it as extra tag and kid just was along, getting a bad start.

I think it's better to give them a few years with small game and birds, before stepping up to deer. Often parent is pushing kid, but some kids might be ready at 9-10 yrs old, most aren't.
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i agree robert.
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RobtMT is right on target. I was Hunter Safety Instructor here for over 10yrs. The written booklet for the kids was composed at a 7yr old reading level....many 12yr olds could not comprehend even that. The age then was 12 to get any hunting license & mandatory hunter safety course....passed of course. Now there is NO minimum age limit to buy any hunting license here.....bad idea but it was even NRA backed....the reasoning stated was to Give Parents control vs state when kids could hunt with gun

I have been told some folks here bought hunting licenses for FOUR (4) year olds! Unbelievable! We KNOW they can't even hold any gun let alone have attention span long 'nuff to even get a sight picture let alone learn trigger control etc. Hopefully it was just to be able to say the kid got his first license at that age or to bolster hunter license sales in the state.Confused

Now the DNR program does demand an adult parent or guardian mentor must be with the yonker and at first only ONE (1) gun between them, now the mentor CAN have a gun also. 

I agree with taking the little ones along at any age you and they can handle the process but only to observe and learn UNTIL they have matured 'nuff to use a gun and know how to hunt. Maturity is NOT age driven....it is how much they actually act mature from learning via apprenticeship with a responsible adult trainer. 

Rant Over.

jsg please don't take offense at my comments they are aimed at the IDEA of too young to be hunting not your question about loads etc.
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I agree and disagree. I think a kid has to be mature enough to hunt. This is not a factor of age. I have seen 18 year olds that were not mature enough to hunt and 10 year old that were. It all depends on if you think the kid is ready.

On the choice of gun. Normally I would agree that a 22-250 is not a good big game cartridge, however, with that said in the last few years I have loaded up some 55 grain Barnes TSX in my 22-250 and have taken a couple deer with it. It was very effective. You have to be a little picky with your  shots and make sure you  have a good broadside shot and no sheep angle shots. I have not had a deer take more than a couple of steps with that load. From what I can see it is every bit as effective and maybe even a little  more effective that bigger guns(242, 270 etc)

The one thing I can defiantly not recommend is reduced loads for a gun. I did that years ago when I was starting my wife hunting and quickly found out that even very soft bullets don't expand reliably once the velocity gets much below 1800-2000 fps.
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No offence taken. I tried for over an hour to talk some sense into him about the choice, but he was adamant. The old, "you can lead the horse to water..." I'll pass on the load data though.


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