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    Posted: 17 June 2020 at 09:19
OK here is the thing.
I have recently worked up two outstanding loads for my rem 700 8mm rem mag. One is a Barnes 200 TSX running at 3200 fps and a Sierra 220 gameking that is going just a few fps less than 3100.
Both shoot 5 group shots at an inch at 200 yards. The 220 have a "little" more felt recoil. I'll use it for Elk, bear, and an unfortunate mule deer on occasion. Unlikely over 400 yards. Which one would you zero in on? The Sierra's are a bit cheaper but not by much.
I have a lot of faith in Barnes bullet and use them in most of my hunting situations in multiple calibers. But kinda looking for a big bullet for a big gun. Thoughts?
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Just my thoughts.

In my 8mm double rifle I shoot Norma Vulkcan  196 gr.  Works perfect a a few black bears didn't compain too loudly.  I prefer a lead core and a GM jacket.  best penetration and least copper bore filing.


yep, they are pricey; but it is just a bear gun so I get a few years out of 2 boxes 40 shots, including sight-in.  So 100 last me forever.

Based upon your two, I'd go with Gameking; great reputation on game.  an it meets my critera GM jacket with lead core...extra 10% weight would cinch it for me.


Other 8mm bullets I've used were Remington Core-lok and the 170gr Hornady SST (170 gr  I think, for deer).  All performed fine.  wonder how fast the 170gr SST would go out of the fire belching 8mm mag????
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Nosler shows 180' at 3300
Hornady does not show a load.
I'm thinking a 170 would not hold together.
To bad Barnes doesn't make a 220, probably get to long to chamber. the 200's are a lot longer then the 220's
 "Hammer bullet" makes larger 8mm's but there solid copper and almost 2" long. AND $3 each.


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The Barnes 200 TSX is a solid copper bullet.  Copper makes cleaning 'tough'.  that is why I never use them.  did go and load some for 340 Weatherby, shot poorly and made a mess in the bore.  French people had copper bullets for about 20 years in the 1930s.  Abandoned as too soft on game and coated rifle bores.  I understand that Barnes makes them to primarily sell into places like California where lead is illegal.  Most people adopted them as they were cool.

The Hornady is a better design for monlithic non-lead bullets,  the whole bullet is mad from GM metal; the same as the jacketed metal on regular.  they are much tougher then Barnes TSX copper and don't foul the bore.  How ever they do really penetrate more than conventional jacketed bullets.

I use 55 gr gmx in 22 centerfire for florida wild boar, head shots.  work fine.

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The Barnes are part hollow and will make 4 peddles on impact.
Some people use them to be cool we use them to make tiny little bug holes in the target, very accurate. The longer bullet acts like a heaver bullet . YOU have to have a jump to the lands unlike most other bullets. Copper fouling in most our other guns is not a problem, but in the 8 it is a bigger issue for what ever reason.
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copper is soft.  faster causes fouling.  good at 30-30 velocity

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My six runs a 80 ttsx at 3800 fps and has very little copper fouling.
????????? Lucky ? maybe there is so much plasma running down the barrel it melts it out.
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I wonder if anyone is making a Tungsten powder filled bullet?
OR a heavy shot kind of thing coated with copper as to not re bore your barrel each shot.
I could get a 265 the same length as a 220, HUMM.


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My bullet choice has always been accurate first.
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I bet your big 8 has tons of energy or at least the 416 does.
I was looking at my loads at 1000 yards the 200 has 648 foot pounds and is supersonic still at 1,152 fps with a point blank zero at 250 yards it drops 29" at 1000
the 220 1000 yards 959 fP 1497 fps and drops 21".
DANG. 


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I think of my 416 with 400 grains shoots like an '06 with a 180gr.  Actually bullet drop doesn't matter aany longer as a good range finder takes 'flatness' out of the equation.  read the laser rangefinder, know the drop chart for your rifle and fire.  Remembering the days in the early 1960 hunting groundhogs at 500+ yards; flatness helped for missed guess on range trying to hit 4"  a target at 500 yards +- 100 yards over an open field.
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I always pick accuracy first, like Bear. With that said, I have had terrific luck with Sierra's, both Game Kings and Pro Hunters. I think the 220 GKs would hold up for the tougher hide of an elk and bear without too much trouble. Hornady makes a 195 designed for 8mag velocities, anything lighter than that is designed with the 8mm Mauser in mind and, I would guess, would be disappointing on bigger game. My 8mag likes the Hornady's. I also have some 200gr Nosler accubonds and IIRC they make a 200gr partition. I don't think there is much in N. America that would shrug off either one of the 2 you mentioned D, pick which ever one shoots the best and, the one you can find in stores, and roll with it.
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Thanks all but like I said there very close in accuracy, can't hardly tell them apart at 200 yards. Just wondering more about the retained energy and such. I have a BIG thumper and like the idea of a BIG thumper bullet. If Barnes did a 220 it may be two long but, I would try it. I have had great performance with Gamekings of all caliber. BUT in my heart I feel the Barnes is the better choice for me, just hoping some one would sell me on the 220's.
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I have 150 Barnes to load up and use, only 50 Gamekings.
IF the mud ever goes away I'll set the 500 yard target and start some trigger time sessions. I'll do a little comparing too...
PS can't fine either in "Stores" only on the net.
Looks like I need to talk with a neighbor that has a jug of reloader 26 he hates, that what my 8 LOVES. I think I can get a GREAT deal.


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Getting limited on what bullets you can find in stores.  LGS will order anything I want, and even though they are a few bucks higher....it keeps him in business.  it takes 3-4 days to get it.

Is Mitchell's or Sheels better for bullets???


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Only if you shoot a 223 or 6.5 creedmoor.
North 40 / Big R has 3 time the selection.
Midway , Mid south, and Gafts ans son have most every thing I want.
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sort of like that Graft's fixed shipping $9.95.  but it does make me keep adding stuff.  NO tax, but you MT dudes always have that.
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